I appreciate the pros and cons opinion. Helps me establish a logical conclusion on the game. Overall… I think I want to play it but I’m going to try to find it on sale. I don’t want to pay full price for a game I’m not certain about.
Good idea. If you can find a discount, it’s worth it. But full price might indeed be a bit much.
Just try and not look up too much about the game, part of it’s fun is playing it somewhat blindly.
And after you’re done, you might just wanna check out the story bits of the DLC on youtube.
The dlc isn’t worth it, but a couple do have some neat story bits, especially tied to characters like Clive, Mathilda and Lukas.
I don’t care much about Clive and Mathilda, based on face value but I do like Lukas a lot. Always wanted to know more about him. I won’t look up too much tho, rest assured.
I find Clive underrated. But I guess it’s justified for you, given that you don’t know the game much.
But Lukas is pretty great, yeah.
I mean my favorite character from Echoes is Tobin, so I’m not sure how valid my opinion on characters is. XD I like Clive’s design but he just doesn’t stand out to me like Tobin did. I will say I love his color combination of blond hair and blue armor.
For me character design is secondary to personality.
But let’s talk more about it after you’ve gone through the game.
Most of everybody here has already said most of what I may say, but uh. Here’s my take. xD
First and foremost, the presentation in this game is absolutely beautiful! From the GUI, to the character designs (praise Hidari!) the game is an absolute joy to look at.
The character writing is very likable. I know you may not like the actual support system, but the conversations are very well done, and give a good sense of each character’s personality despite most only having 2 in the game. This is probably just because the voice acting is actually very well done.
Oh and, do I even have to say this? The music is lit my guy.
… Now, it’s been a few years, but from what I remember, the game waaaaasssss… not very enjoyable to play.
The map designs I remember being some of the blandest, most unisnpired designs in the series. Seriously, there was one map on a boat, where I literally just set Celica on the bridge between our boat and another boat, and just hit end turn about 6 times waiting for all the enemies to suicide themselves on me lmao. And any maps not on boats, usually just involved huge ass open fields with some forrest tiles… not much in the way of creativity imo.
And apparently the game has no weapon triangle? Um, I guess I’m an idiot because I never noticed this lol. So, there’s that I guess?
I’m actually super interested in replaying Echoes soon, so maybe my opinion will change? Who knows.
The short of it is, everything about the game is amazing except the actual gameplay itself. Kind of a bummer…
But I’d still play it just for the story and characters if I were you. I think they carry the game enough for atleast a single playthrough.
Regardless if anyone has said it or not, a second or third opinion is always appreciated in my book.
I’m not sure how I feel about the game yet because gameplay is a pretty big deal for me… Story and gameplay are equal in importance in my eyes. But I’ll probably still give it a try because it probably wouldn’t take me very long to finish.
Who are some of your favorite characters and least favorites?
Do you like Tobin
I think I like everyone besides Faye. I’m not a big fan of Est too.
For my favourites, I would say Saber, Mae, Python and Sonya. and Boey. and Clair. I love everyone so it’s hard for me to decide between them xD And of course I love Tobin
My opinion is much like the above: I love SoV’s presentation, especially the voice acting. I heard Ian Sinclair was actually pulled out of his booth a couple times when voicing Berkut because he sounded so insane, lol
But the gameplay… Oh dear. I’m afraid this game is a drag. By which I mean every map drags on because of the nearly endless slew of respawning enemies (screw Witches and Cantors). Enemies also flee to recovery spots whenever their HP gets low, or they just have the ability to passively heal every turn (again, SCREW CANTORS).
I HIGHLY recommend waiting for Silque to learn Invoke before promoting her because those Dread Fighters she summons make the respawns far less of a pain. They make great bait too, though they act on their own.
A con is that the game doesn’t have much replay value, I loved it the first time I played it but since there’s not much you could do differently since there’s fixed endings (depending on whether the character lives or dies), you can use all of your units for 90% of the game so it’s not like you could do a play through where you use these units and so on, and the support system isn’t limited at all.
So like I said there’s little to no replay value to the game - Also the gameplay only drags if you let it, since some people choose to overgrind their characters on the same maps with the same enemies.
But with that being said, SOV is definitely an experience that I wish I could relive all over again. The score for the music is beautiful and I really love the way the game tells its story. There were so many moments in the game that I couldn’t wait to see what happened next and that I was really on the edge of my seat.
I like almost all of the characters in the game except Faye and Tatiana, I don’t really care for Atlas but I don’t dislike him. My favorites are probably between Berkut, Conrad, Saber, Mathilda, and Sonya. Although, I do think Tobin and Gray are a great duo and other characters also bring the game to life.
I love a lot of those characters too so I understand how you feel. I like to feel like I’m the one guy in the forums that reminds people Tobin exists because he doesn’t seem to be all that popular. I have yet to meet anyone that genuinely didn’t like him, but that doesn’t make him a popular character sadly.
Honestly I’m probably in the minority here, but the more I think about it the less I care for SoV. I can give it credit for presentation and characterization (mainly just given how little they had to work with from Gaiden), BUT it doesn’t mean I have to personally like most of characterizations. Or at least I care zero for Alm, Celica, and especially Faye and Tatiana.
But gameplay wise and map design wise is where I spare no qualms in saying that I don’t think they hold up. They’re just so archaic being based of Gaiden and I feel it shows it’s age too much in this regard. I just really don’t like that aspect of SoV at all. And because of it SoV has made the list of FE games I won’t replay, alongside Shadow Dragon and Revelation. And I fully expect people to start "REEEEEEE"ing but every other game except Revelation is better than SoV in my eyes.
Ohh. It’s hard to say favorites. Let’s keep it at 5.
Mae and Lukas for sure.
Berkut, Gray and Saber probably after them.
But a lot are great.
Least favorite? Faye might be the only one I have a negative opinion of.
I never used him in heroes because I didn’t play when the gave him in the TT. I have the 4* version but I’m super sad he’s a sword user, when you will play SoV you will see that it’s not canon like magic + Kliff and sword + Gray
I would use him if he had a bow. But I still love him he’s a great guy
So what you’re saying is I should be a sadistic jerk and feed a character or two to the wolves?
I only tend to over-grind one character in any grindy game I play. One Pokemon in every game, Cloud in FF7, my version of Corrin in Fates… If it’s not obvious which character will be over-grinded for me in Echoes, then clearly I’m not advertising Tobin enough. XD
My favorite characters? MATHILDA…
Clive, Clair, Delthea, Luthier, Celica, Est, Lukas, Mae, Boey, Faye (wish her writing was better ugh), Emma, Yuzu, Shade and Randall… basically I love everyone lmao. (Un-ordered btw, aside from Mathilda)
Seriously though, I love the pairing of Mathilda and Clive omgggggg
Tobin, Tobin, Tobin… To be honest, I don’t care for his design. I think he looks very bland… And his actual character didn’t leave much of an impression on me tbh. But neither did Gray’s, or Alms. Maybe it was something about their friendship dynamic I didn’t find very interesting. Idk.
… please don’t hate me.
I won’t “REEE” at you, I appreciate the opposing opinion. Everybody said the replay value is really low so you’re not too much in the minority. I don’t care much about Alm like… At all. Honestly, I want to play it for everyone BESIDES Alm. I love Celica, but that’s mostly just because I think she’s really pretty. Solid reasoning, I know.
It’s nice when a game has so many characters you like. And don’t you worry, I’ll get you to like Tobin eventually. I know you like me at least so you already have the bias present.
I’ll be honest I don’t like Celica’s hair and yes hair is honestly a design aspect I grade higher than like figure. Omg realization I never liked Camilla’s hair, so it wasn’t just the fact she creeps me out that I dislike her.
And yes as the general “Micaiah defender”, I find Micaiah’s hair top notch!
Also Lyn’s hair is pretty good too, not as good as Micaiah to me but as far as main character females go, she and Elincia are like 2 and 3, I don’t know which I would rank 2 off the top of my head currently.